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lawyers
by: Anonymous

THe system requires one to get a lawyer. The law is worded in a manner that most people can't understand. The clerks office will refuse to give you any advice or information. Lawyers are dirty and money driven. I paid 3k to get to the trial phase, then I was told it would cost 20k to go to trial. who has that?

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Worst case sceniero
by: Anthony Rodriguez

Age 20 I meet a girl. she tells me she can't have kids. we have a scattered on and off relationship, and she is very abusive and violent. Later found out she is bipolar. I find the strength to leave her for good, only to find out she is pregnant. The child is born with many medical issues and is legally retarded. Ex takes me to court and I pay what they ask. However, everyone starts off negative because they go back to the date she filed. Through the years my ex took me back asking for more and more, even when my hours were cut or I was unemployed. I struggle, but make the payments, even while I get married and begin a new family the way I wanted. When my daughter turned 6 my ex put her in a home because she could not care for her. Against my wishes and even after I fought in family court for custody the entire 6 yrs. My daughter has been in the home since and has really done well there. my child support was stopped and I didn't have to deal with my ex at visitations. Now I'm married have 3 more kids and am just trying to raise my kids and do whats right. My ex out of spite wants to remove my child from her special needs home in order to get child support and wedge herself back in our lives. I filed court papers and hired an attorney. I spend 3k, and then he wants another 5 saying it can cost up to 20k or more to go to trial. I fired him and am now forced to represent myself because I do not qualify for a public defender. I work a full time job and am not familiar with law. Every information I request, they tell me I cannot have because I'm not a lawyer. I do not have a fair fight in this. The government gets .20 cents off every dollar a dad pays in support. we never had a chance!!!

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Integrity would be nice
by: Nicole

For one it should be entirely about the children. Both parents should share equal financial amounts and well as parenting time. It was your choice to bring life into this world, and your responsibilty to provide for them until they are 18. But your always so busy bickering with each other......why can't you just have some frickn morals put your bullshit aside and do what's right for the life you created. Only a sick person creates life to watch it fail.....how selfish a culture we have become. Its not the system that is failing its the parents. Both have equal roles and responsibilities. Cowards blame the other parent for the reason they don't pay support or spend time with the children. If it meant something to you you would find a way.




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I love this post.
by: Anonymous

I am hoping to try to get a petition or something started towards changing child support. People can say "you're a deadbeat because you don't want to throw your entire salary away for your ex to go shoe shopping with" all day, but the fact of the matter is men are SCREWED when it comes to child support. My boyfriend and I are currently in a terrible financial position entirely in part to child support. When he was way to young to have a child, his ex lied about birth control, and then was offered an abortion and had the ability to put the child up for adoption. All of those HER choices. Women have the option to keep their legs closed as much as any guy does to not. So I'm confused as to how, because a woman chooses to have a child on her own (out of wedlock) does it entitle a guy to pay half his salary on "child support". He's paying for much more then the cost a child should take period. It should be a split cost if child support is to be fair at all.. but in a lot of cases guys should NOT have to pay a dime. If I were to have gotten knocked up, and had ways out of that choice, I would not ruin a guys like so I could sit on my ass and get free money. He works 1000 times harder then his ex, yet we have less money. She gets to spend his hard earned money on herself. While we have 100 dollars left a month to eat on. When we have a child once were married then what? They'll raise the child support more so my child can't get the care they need, because it's a planned child? That sounds fair to me. There's so much wrong with the system its sad. Men are forced to pay insurance, while women have medicaid on the child so they'll never have it used anyways. Men have to pay for their "food" while the women gets 400 a month in food stamps (which is way more then enough for two people). They never look into the living expenses of the male, and they never look into the cost of raising the child. They have no regard for the male citizens. It's so one sided it hurts. All this completely is looked past. A woman gets rewarded for ruining a guys life... and half the time the men that pay more towards raising the child than the woman ever will don't get to see their kid? It's the women that decide to have a child completely on their own, and then hit up the father for their income since they can't care for themselves that are deadbeats. Anyone who thinks that child support if fair and just, is one of the people that have either never gone through paying it, or the women that are currently receiving it. If anyone else on this website sees this and is interested in trying to change this please contact me. xobethxo.dc@gmail.com

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Right On!
by: EWoods

This article holds so much truth! My husband and his x had one child. After admitting to doing drugs, a DUI and a bastard child, she married a guy who makes literally 4x what my husband makes. Two years ago she took us back to court for more support. She has not held a job since the kid was two years old. Now he is 11, my husband and I have two kids together and cannot afford child care so I can work, and now we get to choose between a home we have worked for or paying her child support. I don't think this is a matter of "man up". My husband is a full time firefighter and works four side jobs just to pay her what he is now and provide for our two sons and I. So now what? Our kids suffer and her bastard child and the other dudes kid get the perks of mommies money? Nice! This article is hopefully something that will be helpful in our upcoming trial...yes I said trial.

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child support charge card and both parents put money in
by: Anonymousbrenda

when both parents have the child 50/50 why should mother have all the child support the father needs food clothing and shelter to ..child support buys most of the time mama her clothers to look nice to go out go on cruises while father has child whats with that there should b a child support charge card which both parents put in money and use the card for needs of child and then child support unit once a month check what both parents spend. thats fair

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To: it's never fair
by: Anonymous

I don't think it's a matter of being right or wrong, but a matter of how much abuse from the system and the ex a father can take.
My son went through a lot of the same problems only he became severely depressed when his ex did everything she could to violate his visitation order. He spent 5 years and many thousands of dollars trying to get his rights enforced and got nowhere in the biased, corrupt system.
He spent thousands traveling across the country finding his son and more thousands in attempts to have his visitation order enforced. Fathers really don't have any parental rights in America, except financially.
The main problem isn't even the money, although there is only so much money a person has to flush down the toilet of the family courts. The worst problem is the unbearable emotional toll it takes on the child, the father and also the paternal grandparents who are usually also denied contact with their grandchild.
There was nothing my son could do but finally stop the fruitless struggle in order to stay sane. He has a box full of legal papers and other proof that he fought hard for his child. In many cases there is nothing left to do but stop the insanity and walk away.
Hang onto the love of your child though, keep fighting for your parental rights when you're able to. Join a local fathers support/rights group or one online, and talk to others that are in your shoes-they're everywhere!
If you ever see any chance of the slightest contact with your child, take it!
Start a savings of some kind for his future, even if it's just a few dollars a month.
Write letters to him telling him how much you love him and how much you'd love to see him if you were allowed to and that he'll always be a very important part of your life. Put them in a safe place to give to him when you see him one day.
He WILL want to see you one day when the courts and mom are no longer able to pull all the strings. Plan for that day and welcome him into your life then. Explain to him honestly why you were unable to be part of his childhood. The alienation was not his fault or his choice.
Above all else work on yourself and be as healthy as possible in mind and body when your child comes to you one day. Lead a good, healthy lifestyle and be a person your child will be proud to call Dad when you meet again, because you will forever be his Dad!
Good luck to you!


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its never fair
by: Anonymous

My first child was with my high school sweet heart. I came home and found her in bed with another man. I took my 6 month old son who was sleeping in the other room and moved in with my parents. I got full custody 1 year later and they ordered her to pay child support. I received one check and then she quit her job. Fast forward 10 years i got married to a women i thought i could trust and had another son. after 12 years of hard work i suffered a severe depression lasting 5 years. I kept working but became socially isolated and totally withdrawn. My wife then decided she wanted a divorce after 16 years of marriage where I paid for everything. I supported her in many fruitless ventures such as mary kay and herbal life businesses, she even opened a smoothie shop blowing 60 grand of my inheritance. Long story short i got laid off and found a job in another state and she decided to divorce me. I went to seek treatment and found out that I had bipolar 2 severe depression severe anxiety and PTSD. The PTSD was from working in a chemical plant and being on the fire brigade for two explosions that killed three friends. I lost my job due to the crazy behavior caused by the bipolar and the extreme stress i was under due to the divorce. I decided to seek SSD to support myself due to the severe illness and am making her wait until its approved before signing her precious divorce. Now that I have lost everything i don't even want to see my son or interact with him. I guess the damage to our family is complete and I see no point in trying yo maintain a relationship with my son 1000 miles away. If i cannot be around my son on a regular basis then i prefer to leave him alone completely and forget about my past life. I know many guys who feel the same way. Call us losers, deadbeats, my wife did. I told her to ask her boyfriend for money as i no longer feel invested in the family. Am I wrong?

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To Coulette Dobbins
by: Anonymous

Most fathers would love to be allowed to spend more time with their children. The main problem is that custodial mothers often deny them even the little visitation time the courts granted, and judges rarely enforce visitation orders.

Fathers are not the main, or only, cause of fatherless children! They are treated as if they have no rights by the system and custodial mothers. They're called deadbeats and told to pay and go away!'

When a mother is financially unable to take care of the children she had, the taxpayers take up the slack. When a father's unable to pay child support he's thrown in jail and his entire life destroyed. Something's very wrong with that picture!
It's time to stop trashing Dads and denying their rights, for the sake of the children!

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Bravo!
by: Anonymous

Your interpretation of the Constitution is correct!
Child support and also denying fathers parental rights are Unconstitutional. Our system does many things that are biased and Unconstitutional though. They go around the constitution by continuously making up new laws to ensnare citizens. It's all a matter of pulling in more money to the states.

They jail fathers that are behind in child support under charges of "contempt of a court order" (child support order). You can't say they prosecute them because they usually are not even given a day in court or appointed any attorney if they cannot afford one.
It would make complete sense to allow whichever parent best able to financially support the child to have primary custody. But since that would mean the father would have the right to custody most of the time it's rarely done.

The states know they have a better chance of getting money from the father through child suport fees, and that's exactly what they're most concerned about- not the welfare of any child!

Giving custody to fathers most of the time would not only better assure the care of the child but would also remove the load of single mothers from welfare, a win-win situation for all except the greedy courts and states.
Nobody can accuse our present judicial or family court system of having much sense though and much needed changes will be slow in coming.

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too dads on here
by: Anonymous

Happy fathers day.

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Wow
by: Coulette Dobbins

It never ceases to amaze me, the lack of intelligence a human has. These children that you refuse to acknowledge, are citizens of the constitution. The government did not have these children, did not make these children, it was an act of either, lust or love, greed or animalistic behavior. You name it.

Therefore raising a child is the responsibility of both parents, not just one. I understand that one might not be able to financially care for this child, but emotional stability is detrimental part of raising a child. If you can't financially care for your child, so be it, be there for that child. Take care of that child, when the mother is working so day care does not have to paid for.

If you didn't want to take care of your child you should have made sure there were no possibilities of having a child. The constitution is written correctly your interpretation is a more than a little off.

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The Selling of children as Chattel for a fiat currency the main objective is to destroy the family and imprision miniorities and the poor
by: Anonymous

The bottom line is the custodial parent sell the child to the state as chattel to receive benefits. In turn the noncustodial parent is held liable for interest upon loans for a child that the state nor government created not one source of energy to conceive. Of course the system is designed once you become apart of the system the governmental forces make it nearly impossible to get out from. As far as the imprisonment the laws are directed to the minorities and poor being incarcerated for interest on a child that no court, lawyer, and magisterial judge has nothing to do with sound like the United States is more communistic than the countries its pillages. Last its another way for the Department of Justice to keep their jobs since crime is declining and the United States currency is deflating. The question becomes how can one parent sell the child to the state without the non custodial parent's authorization? How does a private organization such as Child Support Enforcement Agency have jurisdiction over the Constitution? If the non custodial parents does not have a say whether the child is able to be sold as the custodial parents request then upon the transaction of the child being sold to the state then the non custodial' parents right have been relinquished. At that time I would tell the judge to sell my rights also since this court is making decisions for children it did not create

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General Welfare
by: Charles Gillihan

You have miss-interpreted the Constitution's General Welfare Clause. Just because the government violates it by adding to and changing it's function, does not make it right. The General Welfare Clause is defined by its particulars listed within the same context; Art.1, Sec.8. Without a definition, the Feds can determine that any human actions fit under this category. When one checks the original intent instead of judicial fiat, the meaning becomes clear. Here is a quote from the Federalist Papers No 41 by James Madison: '...Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars...'. A term is always defined by its context.

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TO you are a real deadbeat
by: Anonymous

The truth of the matter is the costodial parent doesn't allow the non costodial parent see there kids. They don't always care about the kids they just want their party and tanning money if not you can't see your kids and if you think its not tthat way your stupid. This is what many non costodial parents go through my husband pays child support but is not allowed to see his daughter cause his ex doesn't think he pays enough money to her yet the 15 yr old is allowed to run the streets at all hours of the night and stay at boys houses. We live in diffrent states and the daughter refuses to come live with us cause she loves not having rules. Her mom has a boyfriend. At home with two more kids she had with him but that don't keep her from sleeping around and setting a horrible exsample to my step daughter. The truth is WAKE THE F***K UP there are horrible custodial parents out there!

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YOU ARE A DEADBEAT PURE AND SIMPLE
by: Anonymous

Wow!
Shame on you there are people out there that get all of time with there kids that they want and dont pay a dime and the custodial parent suffers. Because you are delinquent you think it should be against the law? Child support and visitation are two seperate issues dont try and link them you can raise your kids without the state saying a word but you are also financially responsible for them. SHAME ON YOU! This was written by a true deadbeat SHAME SHAME SHAME

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CHILD SUPPORT IN UTAH
by: Anonymous

MY HUSBAND LOST HIS JOB THREE YEARS AGO WERE HE WAS MAKING 26 DOLELRS A HOUR AN SINCE HAS FOUND A NEW JOB THAT ONLY PAYS 11 A HOUR THEY ARE STILL TAKING OUT 700 DOLLERS A MONTH FOR HIS DAUGHTER WE NOW HAVE A ONE YEAR OLD SON WHO WE CANT GIVE HIM THE LIFE WE WANT TO GIVE HIM CUZ UTAH WILL NOT REDUCE MY HUSBANDS SHILDSUPPORT WHICH IS VERY UNFAIR CUZ THEY CAN HIGHER IT IN A DAY BUT CANT LOWER IT AN ITS BEEN THREE YEARS SINCE HE MADE THAT KIND OF MONEY IT IS HURTING ARE FAMILY SO BAD THAT HE IS UNABLE TO HELP US SUPPORT MY SON AN I HAVE TO DO ALL THE WORK AN PAY FOR ARE SONS DAY CARE WE LOST ARE HOME ARE CAR AN ARE FAMILY IS FALLING APART DUE TO UTAH BEING GREEDY LETTING HIS X GIRLFRIEND LIVE OFF WELFARE AN MY STEPDAUGHTERS CHILDSUPPORT NOW SHE WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORK CUZ SHE CAN LIVE OFF HER DAUGHTERS PAYMENTS AN WELFARE SO SAD WE HAVE HIRED A ATTORNEY AN THEY WILL DO NOTHING ITS BEEN A YEAR AN SHE STILL SITS SAYING SHE IS TAKING CARE OF IT GREAT ATTORNEY SHE IS SO I REALLY HOPE UTAH ORS KNOWS THAT THEY ARE DESTROYING A FAMILY AN LETTING A PIG LIVE OFF HER DAUGHTERS CHILDSUPPORT PAYMENTS AN MAKLING MY SON SUFFER

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To my situation
by: Anonymous

Yes the courts will consider all of the above. You must be ready though make sure you take every document to back you up the best thing to do is have them filed with the court witch means send copies to your child support case worker and make sure at the bottom of the form you indicate a school to the courts. Take your own copies to the court the day of the hearing to show even though you make more you have no disposible income. If you have time you may also check if your family qualifies for government assistance that can also help your case. Make sure all your ducks are in a row before heading to court. At best it will remain the same or get lowered but if you back yourself up with prove they may not raise it. Good luck friend.

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My Situation
by: Anonymous

If anyone can answer my question I sure would appreciate it. As I stated earlier about my situation my court hearing is coming up soon. My income has increased since the last modification but my home circumstances have greatly changed. Even with my income changing which I calculated that my child support will go up to 800 a month from 450. My wife has had brain surgery and is no longer working because of the recovery time and has another brain surgery to do after she recovers from the first. Even though she has insurance I am paying 600 a month on her monthly prescriptions and now I have medical bills that I have to pay monthly. Even after my income went up I have had to take out small loans when i couldnt cover all our bills and prescriptions and I still have to pay them loans off. I guess what my question is, will the court or the Judge consider my situation? I also have 3 kids with my wife at home to care for. I don't mind paying a little more because I want to take care of my daughter I just know I cant afford 800 a month right now because of my situation with my wife.

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Stupid people
by: Anonymous

I agree 100% the child support office needs allot more regulation,they have no-one watching the horrible injustice that they commit on a daily bases. While we were way over paying for my husbands daughter (which we are not allowed to see) my husband was on the edge,we have two children of our own and even with both of us working we were not making it,in the meantime the stupid back woods cunt kept collecting over 1000.00 a month from us,braging on face book how awsome it was to stay home with her her and her bf kids and she didn't have to work cause she was collecting all this money from us,her bf was working yet cause she not married she filed for foodstamps. Well after 3 yrs of paying this and still getting 27000.00 in arears we FINALLY got a hearing were the judge could not believe what a huge lie this Stupid person had told the child support office about how much my husband made,EVEN when we sent pay stubs it took 3 yrs to get it changed we called over and over we filled out form after form but we got so lucky that we got out from under that Stupid bottom feeder YAY,the courts not only removed. The arears but going by my husbands income we pay 360 per month which is a fair amount in ohio. Now she got so mad that it got reduced she now calls my husband a dead beat on fb and we are still not allowed to see his daughter she's 15 now and she don't know us or her little brother and sister and that is so so sad. The only great thing is she HAD to get not only one crapy factory job but two jobs haha carma love it!!! Hang in there never give up and GOOD LUCK

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learn the game
by: Anonymous

My husband and I have paid 61,000 for a 7 year old who doesn't even no my husband is his father. We call we try. She's a money grubbin cunt. We were payin 650. A month and we paid off 12,000 in welfare for her and my step son plus 2 kids that r not our responsibility. I took her to court I paid 30 at the court house for a reduction listing reasons why. Went from 650 to 60. A month. So I guess in my situation her lack of allowing my husband to be a father blew up in her damn face. If they pay and want to b involved let them. Don't try to play chess with ur kids. U no all u no is checkers.
CHECKMATE

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My Situation
by: Anonymous

I have a 15 year old daughter who my X was awarded custody to 13 years ago. Since then I have been paying the court ordered child support. It's been raised and lowered at times according to my income. 4 years ago when my daughter was 11 she asked me if she could live with me, I said of course you can, now I also have 3 other children that live with me and my current wife. Anyway I told her I would love for her to live with us but we have to talk to her mother about this and make sure she was ok with this cause i certainly was. So a few minutes later she asks her mother and that's when all hell broke loose. My X grabbed my daughter and they left my house and went home which is about 40 miles away. After that day when I would go to see my daughter my X would say she is not there or that she didnt want to come with me cause she had plans. Now my visitation rights were in my Court ordered papers. So for 2 years i went every other weekend to make an attempt to see my daughter and every time i was denied. I hired an attorney and took her to court for contempt and all the judge did was say dont let this happen again ma'am. So after that a couple months went by and i was seeing my daughter, who at this time was 13 and my daughter says Dad i want to live with you and i said well your of age to decide who you want to live with now so that would be great we want you to. I told her that she would have to let her mom know what she is wanting to do. So after that weekend and i returned my daughter i was awaiting her phonecall to tell me she was ready for me to come get her. Instead i received a text message saying Dad, my mom said that if i go live with you I will not not get to see her ever again. This broke my heart considering my daughter was 13 and being put in such a horrible position. Her mom knew if she lived with me that her support payments would end. I was hurting so bad for my daughter, I told her that i love her and that her mom needs her but that i will still get to see her every other weekend. I didn't want to make my daughter choose even if I wanted her to live with me so bad. That's when i lost all respect for my X. I couldn't believe she wouldn't support our daughter. Our daughter just wanted to get to know an everyday life with me. Well its been 2 years since that happened and her mom went back to her bad ways again saying she is not home or anything and its been 2 years since Ive seen her. Her mom has contacted the Attorney General's office requesting more support. My income has gone up, so I'm certain it will be raised but what hurt's the most is that I always do my part, the payments are always on time and I make effort's to see my daughter but nothing ever happens to the X. I guarantee if i ever missed a child support payment I'd be in big trouble but no judge seems to care that i dont get to see my daughter. I feel like my rights have been violated.

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Anonymous thread
by: Gerry

Bad parents are from both sides. There are men and women that do not pay their child support. Especially there are some female parents that have no business raising a child as while as some men. I have seen and heard enough of "men that do not pay child support are dead beats". As long as this country continues to have corrupt Judges I do not think that statement of dead beats and men or women can always be correct. If you think for one moment that even as a whole that all cases are Judged correctly and fairly, then you are grossly mistaken.

The only way to correct the child support as far as what is paid is to make the custodial parent accountable for every penny spent but that will not happen because Judges agenda is to have one parent to keep filing and coming back to redo the child support, visitation, or custody. Juvenile and domestic relations is a money making machine. There never will be any fairness. The best interest of the child is just a word or phrase that is thrown around. The needs of the child are rarely considered in court. The hatred from one family to another while the child sees it and lack of child and parent encouragement and family encouragement should always be grounds for changing custody verses what the child wants. Because that hatred is like cancer it causes so many other problems unless it is stopped dead in its tracks.

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14th Amendment
by: Anonymous

Wow... you are so totally wrong on the 14th Amendment. First off the 14th amendment traces back to the 4th amendment. The 14th amendment was partially what caused the civil war. Before interpreting the law which you are not qualified to do you should be a little smart and do some research on the 14th amendment and the laws that govern it. For your info this is what the 14th amendment states;
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution was passed by Congress on June 13, 1866 during Reconstruction. Along with the 13th amendment and the 15th amendment, it is one of the three Reconstruction amendments. Section 2 of the 14th amendment modified Aritcle I, section 2 of the US Constitution. It has had far reaching effects on the relationship between states and the federal government.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The main reason for this is because of the 4th amendment, mainly for "due process".
The major part that makes your claims of unfairness and civil rights is this;
Section 5 of the 14th amendment;
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Your essay is irrelevant~

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childsupport
by: Anonymous

i agree the chilsupport laws are full of shit noone should have to go to jail or loose thier license for not being able to pay.maybe they should start putting the custodial parent in jail for withholding visitation and take everything away from them the child support office need to look at both sides not just one but they dont care

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Hope Government Helps Us
by: Inessa Kotkov

My ex works for cash, he raised his new girlfriend's children which are not his, grandchildren which aren't his, and having bought gifts for his lovers all these years but not spending a single dime for his children for more than eleven years. He even married a person who works with lawyers so he could hide the little crimes he committed.

Unfortunately, evil rules our world but you don't need to give up. Together we can find justice in our society. There are good people too. I hope they will read my post. I own thousands of dollars in child-care because I belong to a disadvantaged category of women which are not often mentioned. I don't know where you live but I live in Wisconsin and you never been in my shoes so don't make any judgement calls. Even I disagree with our government on issues but I hope Mr. Walker will fire the Child Support Enforcement people for not doing much for parents who are seeking help from them. Our public schools did not care about bullying for decades. These courts don't care either. What are they being paid for? I assume that there are many professionals who are seeking jobs in court system.

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To common sense AND the one that wasted time reading the thread
by: Anonymous

First of all the the child support system is NOT set up in the best intrest of the children, if they did they would demand emotional support instead of concentrating of just the money. My husband has ALWAYS paid, but the mom refused us from spending time with his daughter since she was 8, all the courts tell us is GET A LAWYER...SO ALL THE CHILD SUPPORT OFFICE CARES ABOUT IS THAT YOUR A GOOD MONTHLY PAYER, they get their 2%. If you can come to an agreement f***en yay for you!! That works with your dealing with an educated, sain person and not the jealous backwoods retard we have had to deal with. She straight out told us she would make our marriage hell though child support and visitations, and boy has she for 6 years!! what she failed to see is she made us stronger, BUT in the process has distroyed the relationship between my husband and his daughter. So good for you always keep your kids first, for the rest of the world keep fighting and best of luck its a hard hard road.

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Common sense!
by: ash_rae

Mothers/Fathers are awarded child support because they are NOT taking the time to raise their child! It's not like the court is saying stay away from your kid and just hand over the money to raise them, lol! This is so ridiculous! Regardless of what the constitution "states" there is still a difference between whats right and wrong. If you have a child you are either involved in their life physically/emotionally/financially or (if you cant or choose not to be) then you pay the price to make sure that child gets your support.

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To: I need professional help
by: Anonymous

Since your ex wife is the childs parent too she will have to pay child support too if you choose not to go after custody. You need to contact a lawyer though, also contact your child support case worker and ask if they have gotten the change of custody, your ex has to report the change by law, she nolonger gets the child support. The grandmother has to now seek child support from both parents.

P.S
Dont expect to much help from the child support office

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Regarding this entire thread
by: Anonymous

I can't believe I just wasted my time reading this entire thread! What happened to the term called "values?" You know values like responsibility and integrity, or what about an honest day's work? Personally I am tired of supporting all of you who willfully refuse to work moms and dads alike! I am a working mom who for a period of time was the sole financial provider for my 4 kids post divorce. I never took a dime of welfare! Why would I when I have God given resources like a mind to think with and hands to work with?! I highly value education and being self-sufficient. Give me a break! This economy would be great if everybody got off their asses and participated in a productive way to make their community a better place. (I am not referring to those who by no choice of their own find themselves unemployed at this time.)
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that parents (plural) are supposed to take care of their kids. Its an innate drive that has been built into us. Its only when one becomes a self-serving adult that they consciously reject this innate truth and replace it with nothing more than harmful lies to feed their selfish appetites.

By the way, I've never asked my ex-husband for anything financially that was't fair. $60/wk for 4 kids is what we currently have modified the order for. That's barely enough to cover their lunch money for the week and the gas it takes to run them around to their extracurricular activities. I provide ALL the rest. Winter coats alone this season used up a month's worth of child support lol. I am not complaining about the amount I receive. That is what I agreed to. My point is that EVERY dad should pay something and that EVERY mom should pay something. If you can't see that, there is no point arguing with you and I have just wasted even more time writing this.

(By the way, getting support modified is easy and free if you just go down to your courthouse and do the forms yourself. Neither my ex-husband nor I paid any legal fees for our divorce or to establish support. We did it without lawyers and completed all the forms ourselves. Of course you have to be able to come to an agreement together on everything to be able to do it that way.)

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A parents Rights
by: Anonymous

Im not a professional, but if this child is yours then I think you as the other parent should have fist rights over a grandparent! May want to look into this. Best of luck and prayers

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I need professional help
by: Cj

3 years ago i was ordered to pay $121 a month in child support, but i have no parental rights. Now my x wifes grandma has guardianship of him because his mom gave it to her. Do i legally have to pay child support since she gave her grandma guardianship? Do i really have to pay child support since i have no parental rights?

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When Child Support goes to the Child
by: Anonymous

My friend received a letter that it is calculated that he shall pay 1000.00 a month in child support for his 2 year old daughter. The divorce is not final yet and the mother has been alienating the daughter from her father. The mother found out that the least amount of overnights the more money she would recieve. The dad went from being primary caretaker durning the marriage, to 4-5 overnights a week after seperation to nothing for 3 months. The mogther was fired from her job, she has posted statements on facebook about taking him "to the cleans", "Its not alimoney its all your money", and "I don't like to loose". She has stated to his daughter-in-law, " Im going to clean him out, he won't have nothing!". There are pictures of her drinking around the kids, comments about taking drives and taking along Jack by her cousin who takes care of the daughter. The mother has 2 other children 6 and 5, they are the care takers of the 2 year old. She has 3 police reports for domestic and child welfare against her. But she and her lawyer are going for 1000.00 a month. Dont get me wrong I believe both parents should contribute to raising their children either together or seperate, but for one to support the other so they can sit back, buy shoes, clothes, party, get their nails done,NO WAY. We Americans are supporting these parents that live on welfare, claim child support and do nothing to inrich their lives, be a hero to their kids, set values and morals for the upcoming generation! I have three kids myself and if Im lucky I get child support for one. I support my kids, I have a degree, a good job and my kids more importantly are loved!!!! Raising kids is not about quanity of time and money, its about Quality of time and LOVE. Its not the child's place to be brought into the this world to give someone else a break, a pocket full of money and an easy way out!

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Says who?
by: where

18 years since I've seen my sons and thousands of dollars paid to "her". Apparently it would seem that spite rules the mind of a woman. She left with my kids to marry someone else. I did not. Was it worth it to pay her to be so evil?

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Beware of a woman scorned
by: Anonymous

My husband was in the military when he got back from iraq found out once again his wife at the time was having an affair. Well all the money he was sending to her (and their two daughters) was used for her partying and men, as a result he lost his car, his home and none of the bills were up to date. She was so angry that he found out she filed harassment on him and HE was order to move into the barics and she got an order of protection so he could not go see his kids. Child support kicked in ofcourse, he was orderd to pay 780 per month and still pay for housing on post. She got one of her bf to

drive her back to their hometown and she sold

EVERYTHING in the home and pawned the rest. He finaly divorced her and that Pissed her off. He got custody of the oldest that was 12 at the time, BUT he was orderd to pay child wsupport and spousal support but she didn't have to pay
anything. This all took place in 04, she swore she would burn him through child support for leaving her, and the system allowed her too. for the last 4 years they have been taking 278.00 per week due to child support miscalculation,just this year 3 months ago they FINALY gave us a hearing to modify, mi now he pays 386 per month for the one child. She was so upset because she thinks she should get more because she dont work and has two other kids with her boyfriend. Well we have two children too and struggled so bad because of this our credit is shot. She bad mouths him on facebook and told him that since he took all her child support away she will not help pay any travel expense for him to see his daughter (she lives in ohio we live in texas)we were VERY lucky to get out of that nighmare and stay married we feel bad for his daughter who still calls and asks if we could buy her shoes and school supplies cause her mom refuses to work and the child support system could care less my husband pays and they make their 2%.

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nobody wins
by: Anonymous

The problem with child support no matter if you are paying it or receiving it, is that it is controlled by the government and the courts. Both have proven that they make worse everything that they try to regulate or fix. In the long run, I think everyone should consider whether or not you intend to stay with the person that you are making babies with before you make the babies. Both parties can point at each other and declare that it is the other person's fault and proclaim that they are being treated unfairly. Nobody wins in these situations especially the kids.

To the recipients of child support I say, you had better make sure that every penny you recieve goes toward the child or children. If that is not the case then you are wrong. Furthermore, you had better allow the other person to be a part of that childs life if he or she wishes. To those that have to pay child support I say, you had better pay it and if you can't pay it all, petetition the court to get it lowered, in the mean time, pay what you can. If you are able to be a part of the childs life, then you had better do it. Both parties should be working together for the benefit the child, not complaining about the other party or the system on the internet for your own self interest. I think some of you are just trying to milk the system and some of you are trying to pay as little as possible to support your kids. A lot of you on both sides, should truely be ashamed of yourselves. Grow up and think about your kids and not yourself. Enough said.

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Rightful Responsibility
by: Anonymous

For all of you who keep claiming that Child support should not exist and should be stopped,think for a minute what you are saying. Should anyone have the right to go out and create another human being and not be held accountable? Male or female, it really doesnt matter,there are states and their laws are different every where. When you rant about women being sluts or abusing your life because you do not want to pay child support or have to pay child support and cant, whatever lead you to this conscious choice or situation, the war is still over your own personal choice, which sometimes we all regret. But your blame on the opposite sex isnt going to change the fact that you made a choice and you should be held accountable for it. Men who pay and help support their children should have every right to see and be a part of their lives. Men who cant pay because of job loss should compensate by helping out in other ways to care for their children, like taking care of them while the mother is working. For those of you gripping about the child support you pay out and you have a job, have you ever paid day care on a minimum wage job for one or more kids and watched your ex go on vacations and have an extravagant life while you raised the children you both made with very little? The government in every state doesnt give hand over fist to women or men who are single parents. If it werent for all that help you can get with school as a single parent I would never have been able to get a good enough career to raise my children with anything more than a little welfare, cause child support aint all its cracked up to be. Not every one gets alot of money, and not every spouse who pays it realizes that it takes what they give and then some to raise kids cause they have never had the responsibility of raising a child. So, before you go bashing this comment out, just remember, not every situation is like yours, not every man is a dead beat dad, and not every woman getting child support is a slut who missapropriates the child support you pay for your children. My point is this, if you take away the laws for all, you hurt the few that the law helps, and I dont hear anyone saying that its the kids who deserve the justice, i hear alot of people bitter at the opposite sex and using that as a means to end the rightful responsibility you should take.

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Are you SERIOUS??
by: singlemom101

I know many a single mother who is raising their kids without the help of child support even though they have every right to request child support and could very well use it, but they refuse because of how much of a hassle it would be. I don't know if you know this, but not everyone who can get child support, pursue it because of the fact that it costs money that most do not have. With all of the changes in this world, you would be very hard pressed to find someone who just gets awarded child support. They go by a lot. The income of both parents, the number of children, the age of each child, what that child's needs are whether they be special or otherwise. You don't just walk into a court room and say "I want some money because I have kids with this guy and I want to take them away from him will he pays me a billion dollars a month to take care of them." Doesn't work like that buddy. The constitution wasn't written with dead beats in mind. It was written under the pretenses that this would not become an issue. In this day and age there are so many things that can influence a decision, the fact that you didn't do research on the issue, is very clear in your writing. It could be said that it is unconstitutional not to pay child support.

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at Jim from FL
by: former single mom

I really feel for your situation. please don't let her get away with it. fight her. file her in contempt for denying you visits. she is the on who moved away and most courts will recognize that and make her primarily responsible for the brunt of the travel expenses. I hate hearing stories like yours. The kids name by law should have never been changes unless you were a murderer or rapist. trust me I've tried when my kids dad became a drug dealer user and thief. it didn't fly. the judge quoted several cases where that rule was established. so unless you disgraced the family name or the kids agreed to the change then it never should have happened. Did she notify you that she was moving out of state? did she notify the court? if not you should have filed contempt immediately. that's how alot of people lose custody. unless you were in jail when she moved then you shouldn't have let here get away with it. More men need to stand up to their exes. my husband was just like u. he let her walk all over him. he is in the process of signing his rights over to the step dad since that's who the boy thinks is daddy( which is another no no and good way to lose custody). We need more decent men to stand up because unfortunately its the nice ones that usually get used as a door mat.

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Gods Law
by: Jim (florida)

I am a dead beat Dad even though i pay $240.00 every week for two kids.Ask my x or the kids i havent seen in about 6 years.She moved out of the area in which at the divorce hearings she was not supposed to.Changed the kids last name to her maiden name in a court area where she is not even suppose to be living.The funny thing is we have a son.She is going to be the first one complaining when someone does her baby the way she is doing me.As a non-custodial parent you have no rights.If you cant afford a lawyer you are a slave to the system.As i am with no constitutional rights.When jesus was on the cross he told his mother dont weep for me heffer but you better weep for yourself for there shall come a day when you say rocks fall on me and protect me from the wrath of God.Hopefully god will judge in our favor.Read Isah 3:12 in the King James Bible it is a book of prophecy.I wish Jose Biaz would pick up this matter and stop the slavery in America.Anyone know how high the suicide rate is with dead beat dads.Check it.Sharia law and even Yeawah say when you get a divorce she is to leave with nothing.Sounds bad that way but that is what there doing to us.Take nothing from the past and give me all your future.My ex wants more money for extra activities such as dance,sports,etc..I cant wait for the day when married couples cant afford that and she can call the police and say come arrest this dead beat he wont let us do anything.Its only happening to the divorced guys now.Its a crime to be poor in America if you are a divorced dad.This system is unjust.God damn those who have taken our freedom.

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dads paying child support
by: former single mom

to Renee. if you want answers look online for child support laws (your state). they can also revoke drivers licenses and professional licenses ex. cdl. revoke passports. take lottery winnings. ect. atleast that's the law in lots of states. most of the time they garnish up to 65% if arrears more than 30days and tax garnishment if arrears are significant. usually u get to keep ur tax return if the arrears are less than the total tax return but that's a case by case situation I think. also an interesting point is that in MD if the non custodial goes to jail for anything other than child support they can file to lower the support to $0 and stop the with holdings until work release or release from jail. it's crazy to think that if you go to jail your child doesn't have the right to your support anymore. these laws are crazy. just imagine what it will be like in 50 years. god help us.

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tax return garnished
by: former single mom

to Renee. yes I have been in this situation with my ex bf and my current husband. all I was saying is there is nothing u can do about it if there is arrears of more than 30 days. u can call support enforcement office and request ti remove tax lien (not likely) or if married u can file an injured spouse form for ur portion of the return. or if it is causing him and his family to live on poverty you can file to modify support amount based on involuntary impoverishment. I do not have a law degree but I do have a criminal justice degree and understanding of most laws. it sucks I know because I have in the past paid my exes child support because he lived off of half a pay check every two weeks. its better for him to let them take it and get his debt paid down.I wasn't attempting to be a jerk. im glad he pays cause my ex doesn't.
to the 15 and 14 year olds. call cps and tell them to interview ur friend or have her go to the local court and request info 4 a lawyer for the childs best interest, they represent minors in custody cases usually for free if appointed by the courts. good luck.

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abuse of money
by: Anonymous

i need to know how to help my friend i am only 15 years old nd my friend is 14 she live in a not good envirnment and the child support money is not being used for the children i know this for a fact because she has had to use her money to buy toilet paper and her own cloths and animal food and most of the time cooked cleaned did all the chores and her brothers dont have to do anything and she is the one who gets yelled at all the time

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Father's paying child support
by: Renee

We're not gripping about having to pay child support. The child's father fully understands he has to take care of his son. What we're gripping about is the child's mother is getting our income tax even after the state garnished his wages for the arrears. Maybe I didn't explain it well enough but at the same time I don't really think full detail is any public business. We actually wanted the opinion of someone that had maybe gone through the same thing and could lend some advice. We didn't ask for a jerk to comment. Like I said, we have no problem paying the child support. So, if anyone else could give any advice on what we can do please respond. If you're just responding so you can put father's down that pay their support please keep your comments to yourself. Thank you.

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maryland
by: former single mom

I wish I could post some of the newspapers from back home. I think you'd be shocked to see the pics in the counties "most wanted" section. there are plenty of pics of females wanted with arrest warrants for non support. and under the court case records you'd be surprised at how many woman have had federal charges for non support across state lines. its more than you think. I think alot of the reason why men get jerked around is because not all but many are hot headed and get all worked up in court in front of the judge. this automatically makes the judge drop you into the a-hole files. they never get to know how good of a father something dads are because dad has started off or at some point got on the judges bad side. im sure there are states and counties where the judges are the only hometown judge and they're just trying to prove something???who knows. I really do feel sympathy for the ones that seem to fall thru the cracks of the system. it sucks to have a judge tell you what to do with your kid. but if they didn't do it, there would be even worse problems. this atleast forces (or tries to) the parents to stay involved instead of pawning the kid off on someone else and not helping to raise it. it will never change so no point in arguing unless you enjoy stress related balding.

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by the way
by: former single mom

by the way JERRY... you should go back to school cause those educational grants aka pell grant for 5k/year are for everybody even people like you. and guess what...when you apply to qualify for it they even take into consideration all that child support that is paid or received when they determine how much you get. there are no questions about who has custody. they simply deduct or add the child support paid or received. so you to can go back to school and get a high paying job. good luck.

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jerry and dads paying support
by: former single mom

to dads paying child support. yes they can take his tax refund and garnish his check for up to 65% if he has arrears. yes it sucks. when i dated my daughters father. i practically supported him 100% because they took so much from his check.
TO JERRY:
Dont get so worked up. I totally agree with the part of men having a chance to opt out. i think if they feel they cant support the child or dont want to they shouldnt have to but then they also shouldnt be able to see that child. same for woman...if they wanna give the child to someone else to take care of then they shouldnt be able to see the child.
but i dont agree woman should be forced to take birth control...it makes some woman moody, fat, and have bad skin on top of all the other nasty side effects like blood clots. ive never heard of a condom causing a fatal blood clot??? I see your point and unfortunately some men do go to jail. there is also the ability to file to modify child support and plead/beg the judge to realize you cant afford the set amount and to set up a repayment plan. some men get kicked in the arse because they go to court and act like an arse. Ive seen it tooo many times...and judges dont like it. also men who have a history of domestic violence or accused violence seem to get treated worse rightfully so. just sayin. Heres the kicker...while your in jail with a roof over your head watching tv and being fed 3 meals, your ex's tax dollars are paying for it. Im not sure about most people but before i met my hubby the only person getting 3 meals was my kid.

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People who are forced to pay vs people who choose to support
by: Not a father an observer

Look people the system is so damn ridiculous I look at my Brother who absolutely loves and supports his 3 kids one of which he chose to adopt His ex is one of the welfare types she has no job she puts forth no effort. She knows more about welfare and how to get a hold of it than most people who work for the agencies handing it out. Her parents were non tax payers and system abusing idiots. She has been on section 8 housing most of her life. She is also very manipulative!!! She cheated on my brother many times. she used Meth. among any other drugs she could get a hold of on a regular basis. She used my brother to gain a place to live or for money till he finally gave up. She would manipulate him and make him feel guilty when she could not go out on Friday nights to get laid by some other guy. She even came home and said how much better she felt afterward. Finnally after years of doing this I talked my brother into divorcing her. She even tried to get him to agree to not use a lawyer for the divorce. Since he had me and other family on his side we helped him get a high dollar lawyer. they seperated the divorce is not yet final She agreed to 49 _51 custody of coarse she got 51% the man took his kids and I even helped with supervision of them because I worked nights, and he worked days so loosing sleep I did it!!! Our mother helped as well His ex filed with the department of recovery services claiming she has full custody we even ended up with the kids more than the agreement She lied to the system today he got notice she did the horrible act of lying to O.R.S. to get his paycheck, He is allowing the lie to continue despite us and her Knowing the truth I am turning the worthless Bitch in because I am pissed she did and continues to lie and cheat I am also worried if it appears she has had full custody to this point he may loose his rights.

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I agree with one star comments.
by: Anonymous

I found your writing style very awful, I felt you misinterpreted the constitution. I can't for a second agree with how someone would not want to fully support their children even HALF of their income and profit when the custodial parent dedicates 100 percent of theirs to the welfare of their dependents. I think fathers who gripe about child support really shouldn't. It would be no different if they were full time dependents their finances would be given to them the same if not more. Your writing was awful, your points were not well stated. You very obviously missed points of the constitution that were not written for your case, but for our nation. Child support is issue of the state, I don't think you have a clear understanding of how our judicial system work or the laws, state, local or federal work. There is so much that you left out, and didn't mention. Overall I didn't feel like your point was well proven. I respect custodial parents, also you were sexist in saying that FATHERS rights are taken away when it is not always the father who pays child support. There is so much basic fundamentals in your writing that is noticed I can't get past it. I honestly can't believe how many people actually agreed with this. Even if you had a good point to touch on, the way the piece was written ruined it in my opinion.

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Dad's paying child support
by: Anonymous

I have a question. Two years ago, my husband was going to go to the army for a better career and to try to make life easier for his family. Ok, that fell through..we came back to our home town and have been hassled ever since..he was out of work for almost 3 months and his child support got behind. Ok, here's the deal. He went back to work, they started taking his child support out of his check again. Then, when we filed income tax, they held it for arrears, but here's the kicker. They also started garnishing his check for extra to pay back the arrears. How can they take his refund and garnish for extra? Is that really legal? We can't get any answers from our local child support office and we think it's mainly due to the fact that they are good friends with his ex. Any advice would greatly be appreciated.

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To former single Mom.First half
by: Jerry

It's good that your husband you have now was ABLE to pay his support,but some are not. You say that it goes both ways??? Well it does'nt. That's a easy thing to say from the outside of a set of iron bars. Maybe PROBLEMS in this system do go both ways,but JAIL TIME and LOSS of FREEDOM will not be one of yours. Custodial parents are not faced with jail,so things plainly do NOT go both ways. When you go to jail,you lose everything in the world except your very life and even that is possible. Men can possibly be raped,beaten and loads of other things just for the sake of the mighty dollar (they probably DON'T have) including murdered while in jail. Not in jail for a crime,and NO trial and NO lawyer. Visitation with the kids,it's gone. being with the family he has now,it's gone. If he had a job,it's gone. If he was renting a place,it and everything in it is gone. If he was making payments on a car,it's gone. He needs a car & license & insurance to work & pick up his kid if he's lucky enough to still have a license & visitation & a EX that will let him have visitation. He needs to be able to maintain a place to live and bring his child to,in order for visitation. Custodial parents always talk about how they may have to work two & three jobs,but never talk about how if they lose those jobs that JAIL is NOT in thier future but instead uncle Sam will pick up the tab with AFDC or TANF CHECKS,FOODSTAMPS,MEDICAID,FREE DAYCARE,LOW INCOME HOUSING,UTILITY REIMBURSEMENT CHECKS and ungodly amounts of EDUCATIONAL GRANTS that are ONLY for custodial parents. If the NON custodial parent loses a job,or two,or three then the JAIL is there to pick up the tab because that is where they go. This is happening multi-thousands of times a year in this country to NON custodial parents who WANT to be a part of their childrens lives. We can ALL have the same kind of money problems,CUSTODIAL and NON CUSTODIAL alike,but non custodials are the only ones going to jail,while custodials are getting major government aid for the same thing non custodials are going to jail for. Just imagine for a moment that you were broke...now compound that with the fact that you have this new problem of going to jail because your broke and may lose what little you have left. It makes it alot worse than JUST being broke doesn't it???.(and you custodials think you have some real problems)

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To former single Mom.Second half
by: Jerry

That is the UN-CONSTITUTIONALITY of this system. With that being said,there are also some who NEVER wanted to be a part of the childs life and they should have the same rights as well. People say a Man should wear a condom instead of saying an out of control system should be changed. Well I'm saying Women should be taking birth control themselves instead of trying to put ALL the responsibility of the sexual act on the Man. AFTER conception,the Woman still has alot of options like abortion for pro-choicers,adoption for pro-lifers and even drop off stations for pro-lifers. The Man has only the responsibility for the choice the Woman makes. How is that fair??? It goes ONE way and starts with the choices of the Woman AFTER conception so forget the whole sex argument. People are NOT going to stop having sex,and by the way,it looks as if only Men are being asked to by this system(or FORCED to) by throwing them in jail. If Women can go out and have all the premiscuous sex they want & be able to get out of the situation AFTER conception,then Men should be able to as well. Men who refuse to succomb to a system like this by not paying child support for a child they do not WANT to raise,are no more of a deadbeat than a Woman who has decided not to raise an unwanted child by having an abortion,giving it up for addoption or simply just dropping it off at a drop off station. I want you to know,that I feel as strongly about this subject when it's a WOMAN who is being forced into the paying support side of this system as well,even though she had a choice to opt out. I don't believe ANYONE,male or female should be slung into our jails for money over having a child.

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my opinion
by: former single mom

In my opinion I think that things should be like in the old days when the woman could take her kid and raise it alone with no child support and no visitation. I don't want my kid to have any contact with her recently turned criminal father. He is a waste of human space. I don't want his money cause if her ever paid child support it would get paid with illegally earned money. He's a terrible role model and does and says things to my kid that he hopes to hurt me with but he's only teaching her to lie and be a bad person. And a judge says I have to let her see him even though he doesn't pay his child support. I love hearing men complain about having to pay child support for their kids so they stereotype all single moms as parasites and sluts. You all sound like my ex. Don't have kids if you can't take care of them. My husband had a son that he paid $618child in support for 4yrstheir and didn't get to see the baby since it was 2 wks. I never once heard him complain. He has since allowed the baby's step dad to adopt the baby. You all need to take a lesson from him. He lived off of $150 a month for 3.5 yrs. He never complained.

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The point and parasites
by: former single mom

Dear the parasites, u should not stereotype all women who recieve child support as parasites and by the way in case u havent heard men can wear a condom to avoid having kids. Dear The point, I somewhat agree with ur point but I think that if a man or woman cant take care of their child and they have no way of getting help then they should sign over their rights. My daughter has had to go thru so much crap because of her father and on top of it I have never recieved nor enforced the child support order thus far. He refuses to sign over his rights because he says he wants to make my life hell, but the only person hes hurting is his daughter. Its a shame that my husband is taking care of another mans kid but has no rights to her should something happen to me. I have seen plenty of trashy moms lose custody and I have seen plenty of P.O.S. dads not support their kids and even lie to them to try to manipulate them. Its sad...it goes both ways.

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Idiotic
by: Anonymous

This is the most ignorant essay I have ever read. Step into the real world and get a taste a real life you idiot.

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Injustice system
by: Anonymous

I didn't even get the chance to appear in front of the judge!!!! I apparently lost my right to be heard!!!The judgement was made and I was out of town and a telphone conversation wasn't even considered even though on the motion one is supposed to be set up. We don't have a say being a father I guess having to pay support. I am not working and wanted a review and it was all denied!!! Could be why alot of fathers go to other countries do to the injustice system.

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parasites
by: Anonymous

i hate women that have many different kids to many different fathers.They just like parasites.They live on men and make a sucker of men.They cry and join their group called victim.com They use their kids to whoop ass us.It always come to us have to pay child support when they do nothing just live and breath with our money. It doesnt matter if times are bad or we are out of job.They put us to jail then.These sick women ..and we have no choice but to let them raise and educate our children.

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The point.
by: Jerry.

I think alot of people writing on here are totally missing the point. The problem is the fairness that is supposed to be gauranteed by the constitution is being ignored when it comes to men in this country. Men are the only ones being forced by the full weight of the government to except the responsability of a child. You can't do that unless it is equally forced on Women. If you do,then it's sexual discrimination and that is in itself a violation of the law. Remember,equal protection under the law? If people are going to be going to jail for child support,then it should only be allowed if Women are being put in at the same and equal rate as men. That would also mean that men gain custody at the same and equal rate as Women. After all,they have to make up half of the parent population. If they are not going to enforce the law equally,then it's unconstitutional and illegal. How is it a poor Woman in this country can have all the kids she wants even though she can't afford the first,and never see a day in jail??? Yet on the other hand,a man can have just one child he can't afford and it's enough to imprison him for half of his life,literally. Laws are only ink on paper and could easily be changed to be made fair. All most of us are asking for is fairness and that is not only not too much to ask,but expected in this country.

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one more thing
by: former single mom

I like all the comments about sluts and greedy moms and the comment about deadbeat dads. I agree that obviously men dont make babies then later decide not to take care of them ... But also women dont have kids then choose to become greedy materialistic moms. Maybe if people started making better choices about who they fall in live with(myself included) or just who they sleep with then more kids would have both parents and clean clothes instead of a deadbeat dad and a greedy slut for a mom that cant wash laundry. Ive seen both sides and I sympathize with the dads who are 30 and living with mommy because they pay too much support and I sympathize with the single moms not getting support who struggle to take care of their kids without govt aid(as I did). My advice, suck it up and go to college with lots of help from mom and dad and the govt and grants, or find yourself a better guy/girl to help shoulder what u cant do alone.

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be smart
by: former single mom

....there are also guidelines that determine how much a person is capable of paying and if a person feels they are paying too much then they should motion to modify and present their case to a judge. And I also would like to say that the system may threaten noncustodials with jail time but there are alot of offenders that rarely get it because they pay alittle here and a little there to avoid it. Also child support motivates noncustodials to stay involved instead of disappearing and leaving their child without a mommy or daddy. Also many times a child support order is a direct result of 2 people that cant agree on terms thru mediation prior to a court hearing. In my case my daughters father made some negative life changes after I left him and was making ridiculous demands for full custody and child support even though he had no home, car, job, used drugs, and had just gotten out of jail. Duhh. I can go on and on...

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So stupid
by: former single mom

Wow...with all those activities you do with your kid and all that money you use for child support and buy things for your kid I cant believe u have time to write an argument about child support or maybe your just rich??? There are so many different aspects to look at when arguing about child support...where u live, work, and how much u make, plus the needs of individual children are different. Also being a single custodial parent involves alot more than having fun all the time especially if you have more than one child. Also if there were no child support laws than people would have no motivation to stay together because I know from experience that if both parents are law abiding citizens that have equally cared for the child in the past than they have an equal chance at custody or joint. Not to mention how stressful court is. Plus if the US paid for everyones kids we would end up in debt as a 3rd world country and live in mud homes

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by: Anonymous

What a pitiful way to try to get out of your obligations. It is called a rubber. Use one and you won't have child support to pay.
I feel sorry for a child of the guy who wrote this. Don't imagine someone will be getting a card this weekend! How sad for that child to have a dad who isn't worth giving one to.

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I agree.
by: Jerry

I agree,the constitution is for Men as well as Women.All in all it boils down to this,no one should be jailed over money unless it's found to be fraudulent there for making it a crime.It's not a crime to have children you can't afford. If it were,then every Woman on welfare should also be pulling her time for the state.However,the way it's set up,Women can actually defraud men and the state is an accessory to these actual fraudulent crimes,and it's okay. If this system is so fair,then these Women should trade places with the Men that owe them.Let these Women try it from the Mans point of view.If these Women say no to that,then it's settled,simply put (Don't ask me to do something your not willing to do yourself).

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LAW V. CODES ETC.
by: FREE Not FREED

THINK!!! "United States" The "United States" is a broadly used term that has several meanings. It may be merely the name of a sovereign occupying the position analogous to that of other sovereigns in the 'family of nations'; it may designate territory over which soverignity of United States extends, or it may be the collective name of the states which are united by and under the Constitution. Therefore, "United States" is term which is often used 'metaphorically' and should not be assumed VALID to one entity or another, without specific (and clear) IDENTIFICATION. So To Add To My Question, What Authority do a BANKER / Judge / Son or Daughter of A FOREIGN Land belonging to another nation or country jurisdiction rendering in another jurisdiction Under A Known Treaty / Lease and is CLEARLY A None-Indigenous Person / Straw-man Etc. Acting Out As A Executor by Intentionally Ignoring The RIGHTS and Lawful Question by a True Sovereign On A Child Support Subject Matter While Intentionally Violating His Perental RIGHTS, While Unlawfully Practicing SLAVERY & Colorable / Color of Law On Such A Unproven Debt On A FREE National and NOT A FREED 13th, 14, Etc Citizen. The JEAC Should Be Informed About Such Misuse Of This BANKER GIVEN Authority.

Which Is Taken Place In The Territory Of The City of Hampton, state Republic of Virginia. This FREE Natinal By The Name Of Sheik Travis R. Bey has not violated any shown LAWS or Injured Anyone or Thing. So By The Rule of LAW What Is He In There For Other Than A Black Codes, Birthright Theif and Forcible Debt of a Dollar a day when The / This System Has LONG AGO STOP PAYING Us For The RENT / LEASE For Being Here Conducting Commerce and ROBBING The People. Oh I Mean The System Misunderstood STRAW-MAN & WOMEN Etc.

The State(s) Need To Be FORCED To Uphold and RESPECT The Constitution Of The LAND and The Hell With Their State By State(s) Unrealed Corporate Slavery Constitution(s) Try Living Up To You All Oath,& Don't Forget YOU TO ARE WE THE PEOPLE... SALE-OUTS For Titles and Pay of Note$ That Aren't Backed Up By DoDo But Only ake On Any Or Such Wealth By The People. God Bless JFK & His Brother. & May Most of The Restof Them NEVER R.I.P. Let That Sheik Brother Go Or Show The Lawful Proof That Should Have Been Given To Kidnap Him For Over 4Weeks. Filing Will Be Made In The Proper Venue.

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sucks
by: Anonymous

In NY state the calculation is 17% of combined parental gross income. My husband pays $14729 in child support each year or $283.26 each week for his 7 year old son. That is, in New York State, only 73% of what they claim he and his ex would spend on their son had they stayed married. Her 27% "contribution" is what they claim she pays out of pocket above and beyond what my husband pays or $5447.90 annually. Too bad my SS is always in clothes that are too small, socks with holes, dirty and smelly. But, it must be nice for her that she and her husband get to buy new cars every two years. Oh, and that newly remodeled kitchen, yup we paid for that too! The worst part is that we have a two year old daughter and a little boy on the way and the last time the ex went for an increase my husband mentioned this to the judge and was told that "in New York State first families come first, I won't take your current family into consideration at all." Needless to say the support went up $400 each month that day....lucky us....only 14 more years...shoot me now!

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Deadbeat Dads r not OK
by: Hard-working Single Mom

This article must have been written by a man who does not pay his child support. You make a child you take care of it.
Plain and simple.
As others have said, why should the child pay for their parents decision.
Anyone who thinks child support should be abolished is a buffoon.

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The Constitution provides for the welfare of all Americans.
by: C.J.

While I understand your point of view, Mr. Liu, I must respectfully disagree. I can see how you might interpret the Constitution in the manner you do, but yours is not the only interpretation. The document was written almost 225 years ago, in a time much different from our own. The Constitution was written to provide a framework and was left open to change.

Yes, Mr. Liu, Americans are free men and women with freedoms of speech, the press, religion and assembly. This said, it is also the government's duty to provide for the general welfare of its citizens, which includes making sure that all are safe and cared-for. Sometimes this means that some freedoms must be curtailed for the fulfillment of the common good. For instance, we do not and should not have the freedom to kill, because this clearly is harmful to others and violates their Constitutional rights. We have to pay taxes, which are in the words of former Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., "the price we pay for civilization." Our tax dollars go to benefit the less-fortunate through such programs as welfare, social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Undoubtedly, these programs are not without their flaws, but they clearly do much good as well. Taxes also pay for our infrastructure, and it would clearly not be possible to have a "civilized society" without paying taxes.

The situation of paying child support is one very analogous to that of taxes. Moreover, it is a parent's duty to provide for and care for his or her children just as the government must care for its citizens. If parents choose to divorce--a regrettable act though one that at times may be the best and even only choice--the parent who does not have custody of the children should still be obligated to support them. How sad it is that some parents don't want to do so. Everyone knows before having children what being a good parent entails. They make their decisions based on this knowledge, and only those mature enough and committed to the child's upbringing should become parents. There are plenty of methods for preventing unplanned pregnancies, and if one does occur, options still exist. Kids must come first, and it is horrifying how some parents selfishly disagree giving importance to their needs alone.Parents must provide for their children to the best of their abilities.


As I have said, I believe that the Constitution was designed to protect all in American society--particularly the most vulnerable, among whom are the children of divorce who cannot fend for themselves and should not be penalized for their parents' choices. The Constitution on which you formulate your argument, Mr. Liu, gives us freedom of speech, by which I have the freedom to express my opinion.

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Something For "High and Mighty" people to CHEW ON.
by: Anonymous

ok 1st off yes I do agree 100% that the constitution was NOT written with child support in mind, yes both partents need to take care of the children and yes above all else TAKE CARE OF YOUR REESPONSIBILITIES I.E. YOUR CHILDREN. But at what right does anyone have to completely control my life? You people who bash someone who can't afford to completely pay thier child support, or has trouble finding a job to pay thier support needs a serious WAKE UP CALL. Think about this, if you was the one constantly harassed because of some misfortune(wether self imposed or not) you would not be so closed minded about this. Think about the fathers who want to be there with thier children who can't be because the mother got what she really wanted a living breathing PAYCHECK. You act like its all the fathers fault that the support isn't being paid, WELL CHEW ON THIS, I AM DAMN SURE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO LAY AROUND AND MAKE BABIES JUST SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK. Child Support needs to be abolished or changed drastically, its not fair for a father to have to support a womans lifestyle when she is fully capable of supporting her own lifestyle. I know for a FACT that my support isn't being used on my children its being used for thier mothers wants, or her current boyfriends wants, not my childs NEEDS. its not just divorced parents who go through this, its anyone in ANY relationship. And in all reality its not just the father who suffers when he goes to jail, THE CHILD SUFFERS also. So those of you who look down upon those who struggle to pay thier support and support themselves, PLEASE STEP INTO REALITY AND STOP BEING SO JUDGEMENTAL. Child Support actually hurts the child more because they are being deprived of a parent in one way or another.

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greedy baby mamas r bogus and unfit
by: Anonymous

I agree that child support is wrong. As a mother and divorced with custody of my child I do not force my ex to do anything he doesn't want too. If he sees his child fine he sees his child if not oh well his loss. So far as money just to prove a point to him I offered him to pay 400.00 a month he said let the judge decide. I said fine. I was granted 1000.00 a month in support. Bet he wishes he'd accepeted my offer. I then went after 4 months of no payments and no phone calls to his child or visitation and dropped the support all together. Back support and current support. I busted my butt as a public school teacher to pay my bills. Paid for all his doctors visits medicines food clothes extra activities and didn't live off the government. But the day my ex found out I was in another relationship which was years later he decides to be a "father". My current husband has 2 other children 1 of which we didn't know about until the child was 4 years old. The other the mother only wants a paycheck every month. And these women keep his kids from him. He pays his support on time like clock work and no monies are owed and is refused contact with both children. Greedy women like this don't deserve those children they have. If all you want is money give the child to the person who can actually support the child. You are doing nothing but showing your child all you care about is a pay check that you probably don't use on them in the first place.

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Not an abused person of the system
by: Anonymous

Apparently, none of the negative comments here have ever been or known someone who has been abused by the child support system. I have paid child support for the last 7 yrs continuously and my daughters mother requested a review (not smart on her part as child support was set when she didn't have a job and now works full time in a public employee position). 1 1/2 yrs later the courts LOWERED my child support. Problem is CSEA can't read a judgment entry and submitted a new withholding order to my employer for the higher amt (not carrying ins) I have carried insurance on my daughter since she was born, and the mother uses it regularly. When I call CSEA they tell me I have to prove insurance to them (didn't matter that it had been proven to the courts 3 times in 2 yrs) Ohio has a law that states when you submit a policy they have the right to deem it as not affordable (more than 5% of my salary)... They're right it isn't affordable but all I have available. Now they want to issue insurance on my daughter (at the taxpayers cost plus the cash medical support ordered in addition to my child support). Then when I show them EOB's showing my insurance has paid claims on my daughter they stated they do not have a signed order by the judge yet...what did they issue the higher amt withheld from my check based upon?? If not a court order. CSEA has issued a tax refund offset letter to claim my taxes for the year also. They show I am in arrears (all the while I have been paying the orig amt and they have been withholding 1 pmt/mth in an "possible overpayment acct" drawing interest on money which was being provided to support my daughter. I have written the governor of Ohio, State Senator for my district, requested a state hearing, written all 3 Licking County Commissioners, director of LC CSEA, finally with no response I have recvd a request to the courts to remove the orig health insurance order ex parte. (Due to their errors) But NO ONE has responded to any of my letters. DO NOT JUDGE OTHERS COMMENTS UNTIL YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED (GOD FORBID CAUSE I WOULDN'T WISH THIS ON ANYONE) THE INCOMPETENCE OF THIS BROKEN SYSTEM...I am still considered in arrears until they straighten out this mess, my daughter isn't receiving money being sent for her care. Is jail the best option for me too?

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Sluts rewarded
by: Anonymous

In the old days a woman was rewarded for finding a good man and raising a family with him. The government has flipped that upside down with these laws . Now the woman who is a slut is rewarded and her ill raised children are unleashed on the world to further the degradation of our society.

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GREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by: Anonymous

My exwife has 4 children by 3 different fathers.She never worked has social security or anything. So if something happened to her where would my kids be. I was paying twice my income in child support and the court didn't even look into my earnings to make a decision. I became homeless due to that, and she didn't even care if I was!!!. GREED definitly. How can I support my children when I can't even support myself. I would have done anything for my children, but being homeless is not one of them!!! I have since left the country and married again and still having to deal with child support because my exwife is so greedy. So I don't want to hear what is fair or not!!!!

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DEADBEAT DADS
by: Anonymous

Listen ladies, We've all heard the term, but let's face it. The guy didn't become a father then decide not to work or hold down a job. He was a deadbeat BEFORE he became a father. Did you think your beauty and love was going to transform him? Now you have a child that gets to pay the price for YOUR decision. Stop blaming everyone else for life's problems and good luck getting anything out of him.

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HIGHLY DOUBT/CRAP
by: Anonymous

Hello Highly doubt, I totally KNOW the founding fathers weren't thinking of child support when it was drafted. Can you imagine being able to go back in time and tell Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson or James Madison- Hey guys, listen, 200 years from now half of all marriages will fail in this great country. The courts will order the fathers to give 1 weeks pay per month to the mothers and if they don't pay-they will be incarcerated and stripped of their professional license, drivers license and be a convicted felon.
Could you imagine the look on their faces! Yeah, I can tell you without a doubt, those old boys would have defintely put a provision in there covering that one. I am not a parent that "owes" child support. In fact, in addition to the child support, I pay for more than half of his dental,take him to the doctor, pay for his prescriptions,spend every other weekend with him,as well as wednesday night, drop him off at school every thursday morning, help him with his homework, split all holidays, travel with him out of state, take him to really cool places like the kennedy space center,museums,indian reservations,historical sites,teach him how to use a computer,ride a bike,show him how to build a treehouse, I also have his own set of clothes at my house that I go to the store and buy with my own money. I guess, this makes me a "real man". My goal is to give my son the most stable atmosphere for his personal developement. Every kid wants Mom and Dad to be together.I don't fight and argue with his Mom, EVER! I never wanted a divorce. I believe in making things work.
Yes, I told this to lawyers who were being paid 275.00 per hour to listen to my plea.

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CRAP
by: Anonymous

Absolutely absurd! Let me guess your a parent that owes child support? IDIOT!! The children of the world deserve to have BOTH their parents support them! If a couple breaks up the one that has custody usually feels all the stress of making it not the other parent. Dead beat fathers are because of people like you and you filling their heads with Idiotic CRAP!!

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I agree
by: BARRY

Divorce itself is not a crime, true. But this country has made non payment of child support a crime. What this has done, has actually encouraged divorce.

The woman will get the money in most cases. She knows this. Over 50% of marriages fail in this country. An entire legal industry feeds off of marital discontent in America.It's destruction of the family unit and the country itself.

Marriage vows are a total joke. Every marriage will have problems..EVERY ONE!!

But women now have a trump card. When they tire of the fighting, they simply file, throw the man into involuntary servitude, get payments, get a "new man" and start their new "dream life".

The man is the ONLY one committed to family and marriage in the 21st century.

Women in America get a free pass if they aren't happy.

Many women have had 2 or 3 divorces with children and get payments from each one, the courts do not care. They only think of the "child's well being".

Another Joke.

The mother will always have consideration, NO MATTER WHAT. GREED

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Common Sense is Not So Common, Apparently
by: Anonymous

You make absolutely no sense. All you are doing is twisting the words in the Constitution around and using them to make your point. When the Constitution was written, women in America didn't even work or have the right to vote. Get a grip! Times have changed. Unconsitutional or not, there is a moral requirement that you provide for the miracles God has blessed you with. Otherwise, do us all a favor and leave this life so at least your children will benefit from Social Security.

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I highly doubt
by: Anonymous

I highly doubt that when the Constitution was written, they were thinking of child support. It is not slavery. It is the duty of people who bring children into this world to see to it that they take responsibility for their children. Divorced parents or non married parents all have different situations. It's not all black and white, there are many gray areas. Take for example a father who is no longer part of the family unit due to being abusive, an alcoholic or a drug addict or a criminal who is often in jail or prison and the mom can't make enough to fully support the children. Then what? The dad should just not have to pay to help his own children? Or vice versa if it is the mom doing those things and the dad had the children? I do believe if this was the case way back when the Constitution was written, they'd surely have included that parents must provide for the well being of their children. To say that it is up to the parents to just draw a lot if they can't decide-what is that? Is it not the same as going to court and having the lawyers and the judge help decide? Of course it is. Otherwise who will pay to raise the children? Everyone else who pays taxes which then go to paying for food stamps, medical, housing and all that? Is that not also then a form of slavery? After all those people don't like having to pay for other people's children via taxes. This government tries to be fair but someone who doesn't want to pay their child support complains. Someone who obviously doesn't want to take responsibility for the lives they helped create and that is pathetic as far as I am concerned.

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idiot
by: stan

Your an idiot anyway. Man enough to have children... be man enough to help raise them.

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