Judge ignores new child support law.

by Kenneth Fleeman
(Georgia)

I have been to court every 3 years under the recommendation of child support recovery to reduce my child support. Every time I get the same judge who refuses to lower the support payments. The last time I went I thought for sure they would lower them because of the new child support law...wrong! The judge ignored the new law and left my payments the same. I was jobless and told him so but he didn't care. I am remarried and have a child with my new wife but he does not care. My wife has supported me for the last 10 years because my ex takes 1/3 of my gross pay. Because of my profession (carpenter) I have to travel a long way to work which takes another 1/3 of my pay and my self employment taxes takes the last 1/3. I have nothing to contribute to my wife or my son after supporting my ex. As long as judges can overturn the law we have no hope unless someone smart enough could get a petition started to standardize child support. Many economic reports have been done which prove that it only takes $30 per week more to raise a child than living alone. This is supposed to be split between both parents. Right now child support includes built in allimony. All children are created equal and should receive equal support. Child support should be standardized to the correct amount. Women should not be rewarded for leaving their husbands.


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The flawed system
by: Anonymous

There are so many things wrong with the system...first of all you should not be having kids if you do not love a person and if you did love that person do everything possible to make it work with them to raise your kids....always put your kids first and consider them. Its almost as if the parents put themselves first over their kids and neglect their feelings. Secondly, It takes two to raise a kid therefore both parents should get half of the visitation and pay half of the costs. Back before the system to pay child support there was a lower divorce rate, but now a days people divorce for every little thing and its always easier for the women because she pretty much wins the lottery when she divorces like there is a reward for her. The man pays allimony and child support and often even gets the house. That is why the system is flawed because there is a reward for her to get the husband and not to mention if she remarrys that would make her quit her job. If the women knew that there was no child support or nothing to fall back on she would think twice before getting a divorce. I think if you get married take those vows seriously and if you have kids out of wedlock just think about your kids and not be take revenge on your partner for whatever reason. Love them and respect them after all they share a child with you and your child carries their blood.

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Fathers and Mothers will half to answer to a higher Judge(GOD)
by: Phil Moe Slim

For seven years i have payed my child support on time held a job?and sent my kids things.thoughtout their lifetime.while their mothers sit on there butts and collect support..from..me.i have not seen a income tax return since 2002?i work hard and long hours at work to come home..to 150 dollar check after child support rapes me for everything i got and still wants..more?i love my kids and i wouldn?t want this to happen to them..i pay for my kids to come and see me..it takes two to go half on a baby?.so why doesn?t it take two to support a child..since my kids have been born there mothers haven?t worked..i have to stay with my parents because i can?t afford a place to stay on my own?i can?t remember the last time i had a big mac from MCDonald?s ..or the club?all i do is work..and beg my babymommas to let me see my kids..i can't afford a lawyer and most child support program won't assist in visition right...

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hi
by: clayton

hi am from columbus county in north carolina. my girl friend want to jail for $600 dollors .in child suppy. in december 1. in git to go to court jan 28 . do you that she will come home did day.

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hi
by: clayton

hi long you go to jail for $600. dollers

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Blame the courts!!! And the Pscho EX!!!
by: Biased system

I have read a lot of good posts on this site. I see both sides of every story. Now, I will add a third.When I divorced my ex because of abuse to me and the kids, the judge not only awarded HER custody, but asked how much alimony and child support she wanted! I made 25k on my taxes that year. She was awarded $1100 a month alimony because that is what she asked for and $975 in support for two kids, because that is what she asked for. Who cares how much I made! Arkansas is known as a non alimony state. YEAH RIGHT! For the past 3 1/2 years, I have been thrown in jail twice. Once was because I was behind $75. The second was because I wasn't paying my ch13 bankruptcy fast enough. ( I had money going to my ex in it) Now YES, ch13 IS federal, but the divorce judge is somehow above the FEDERAL courts. Go figure! I have lost 3 jobs, been unemployed for at least 3 months and now work a job making only $845 a month. Oh, yes, I still have to pay $975 monthly! I am behind thousands of dollars that I cannot get. Period. I forgot to mention, I am remarried, and she has two kids. She became disabled when we were dating and doesn't get much from that. We are constantly behind on every bill we have and if my ex throws me in jail again, like she wants to do, my family will loose their home, car, and whatever else can be taken. I also forgot to mention that my divorce judge is a woman! She has a deep hatred for men. EVERY attorney in the area knows it and admits that know matter what I loose. I am now trying to decide what would be easier. Move out of state or country. One or the other will be inevitable. Thanks to all you selfish, greedy, vindictive, money sucking women. You have made us exactly what you wanted us to be!

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the whole legal enforcement is based on laziness
by: Anonymous

Judges will always side with the most difficult person. If they have a father who is trying to do the right thing and a mother (and her lawyer) who are just out to get the most $ they can, the judge is always going so side with the mother. Because he knows the father will just do as he is told and also the judge can defend his actions with "I'm just taking care of the kids!) But if he sides with the father, he knows the mother is going to come back over and over again trying to get more. Why not, in most cases, the father has to pay BOTH lawyers. And the judge risk being accused of not caring about "thaaaa chiiiillldddrreeeenn!"

The same with the AG. If you are trying to do the right thing, and get a little behind or late or anything, out goes a threatening letter! And if you don't "fix it" than you're thinking, "Am I going to go to jail? Am I not going to be able see my kids? Am I a bad father?" But if your a dead beat dad then, it's too much work for the AG to track you down, send a letter, track you down again when the letter is ignored, get a warrant filed, (Then good luck getting the police to actually go pick someone up that they don't have a confirmed address on). Then after that they know a letter will do no good so they are going to have to build a case, then go to court, too much hassle! Instead, they can harass the non dead beats, and ignore the dead beats and their "success" rate in taking care of complaints stays high. If they went after the dead beats, it would be more trouble for them AND their rate of successfully the getting money for the custodial parent would go down.

Unfortunately, this problem isn't relegated to the child support area only, it's system wide across any legal enforcement area that includes normal (non hard core criminal) people. Child Support, Traffic tickets, DWI, small time drug users, etc.

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Somebody has it worse than us.
by: Anonymous

There is no doubt that the laws are definately not fair by any means. And some parents just get totally screwed. My new husband and I have both been screwed by the system. He pays $1200 per month for 2 children Sand has one child half of the time plus covers all insurance and 75% of all medical bills. His ex can't seem to provide the children with their basic needs of clothes,winter coats, shoes, etc. The system is screwed up, because these childrens needs are not being met by a useless mother who can't take a portion of that support to provide for the children. She is the type of person who works on and off when she feels like it.I, on the other hand provide fully(100%) for my 2 children. My ex is a complete deadbeat and just got his support lowered to $25/month. I have not seen a dime in 8 years and am sure that I will never see any. How sad is it that my children would be better off if their father was dead. He hasn't tried to see them in 8 years either. He feels if he doesn't see them he shouldn't have to pay. It's not my choice for him to not see them, it his. So I can see both sides of this arguement. The laws are setup so that parents are treated unfairly. I could send my ex to jail, but what good will that do any of us. Like us working class don't pay enough already for all of those out there to live off the system, why add 1 more. My advice to all, is love your children, hug them everyday and tell them how much they mean to you and that you are doing your best. In the end the children will know what you did and sacraficed for them. For those Dad's not seeing their children..get a lawyer.

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STOP!!!!!!!
by: Anonymous Girl

Ok this thread is a hot topic! First, you can't put a price on child support because every situation is different. That being said, it doesn?t mean you have to go broke trying to take care of your family. It should be that both mom and dad take care of the children they made. No, not the new wife or new husband! They are there to help, but shouldn?t let their own children suffer because the ex-wife or ex-husband doesn't want to work! Take into consideration how much both parents make, and if one parent chooses not to work, then it should be done the same way it is with the father. (They include how much she could make) Both incomes should be added together, then take 1/3 from that amount. For example mom makes $2000 and dad makes $2000 a month for a total of $4000. 1/3 is a $1000 divide by 2 equals $500.00 a month from each parent. Of course dad should still contribute for what the children might need. This should be whatever he wants to do for them, not what ex-wife says they need! A good example would be school clothes. This lets the children see that dad does love them and provides for them despite what mom might be telling them. After all, she buys them stuff with the money she gets from child support, and does not mentions it?s from dad!

It should also be noted in the courts that if he remarries and has other children, they should not suffer so one parent can be vengeful! Every child should be taking care of, and that include both new wife and ex-wife!




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Child Support for lazy ex wives sucks
by: Anonymous

I am tired of my husbands ex wife's money sucking ways. She is educated and doesn't work, even though her kids are teens. She takes 1/2 my husbands net salary and he pays another $600/month for "special" expenses. She worked when I first met him, and he paid a resonable amount of child support. As soon as we had children of our own she quit her job, got a free lawyer and set about getting as much money out of us as she could. So while I went back to work with a new born baby to pay the lawyers fees and help my husband pay her stupid support and all her "extras" she sat on her lazy ass while her kids were at school all day. The worst part of this system? They take the father's kids away, make him a visitor in their lives, and then make him pay a lazy ex-wife for this priviledge. Sick disgusting system that really doesn't care at all about the kids (if it did, they would take into account second children that need support too). Reality is it is all about getting money for mom and not even making sure she helps to support the kids she created too! And don't give me the standard crap "moms need it to maintain a houshold for the kids" well what do you think the NCP does? He too keeps a home for the kids, he just doesn't get paid to do it.

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What if Both sides of this is right?
by: Patch

Then How do we fix the system to come up with a number to properly raise a kid and make sure visitation is properly enforced? See thats the problem with an issue like this, instead of fixing the problem everybody wants to point the blame. I pay my child support faithfully and I hate every second because I still give my kids (ages 13, 12) money outside of the $800 (plus $350 in insurance). I have to constantly put up with my visitations being denied and no kind of relief from the A.G. Office whatsoever. Hell I would be happy with just a damn receipt showing that my money is being well spent on my kids and not the new Coogi outfit and accessories I see her ass in! Or her boyfriend with new Air Jordan sneakers and my son's shoe game is totally FUBAR! So is there a solution? Or since our legal system is an adversarial system is it doing its job keeping us fighting each other and not seeing that the A.G. Office really aint doing theirs?

Patch

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anonymous women
by: Anonymous Man

It looks like a forumn to help men deal with the
parasitic, sexist, feminist, lesbian conspiracy to denie mens rights and turn their chidren into less bothersome homosexuals is being thwarted by anonymous women who can afford to spend their time (because a man subsidises their complete lack of productivity)!!! Open your eyes noble carpenter!!! Women have taken all the good jobs and imported illegal labor to do anything they don't want to do. And what do they want to do, collect money from a man for nothing. The cost of raising a child isn't the point. If you never get to see that child, its not yours and its a perversion of justice to make you pay for it. In a country with 5% of the worlds population and 75% of its lawyers (and they graduate more every year) you are doomed to be foder for these parisites. What is needed is a massive display of civil disobedience, can they jail all of us? We need to at the very least quit paying for the jail cells they hold over our heads!!! And for the anonymous women patrolling this blog you need'nt bother to respond because now that we know this is just another vehicle for your Whoredom the objects of your pathetic penis envy can quit wasting our time here; secure in the knowledge that you are deservedly frightend and misarable.

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are you serious??????
by: Anonymous

30 dollars a week??? That is crazy!!! I feel so sorry for your ex. Let's see... Sports-school lunches- field trips-yearbooks-class functions-school supplies-school clothes-shoes-coats-movies-do I need to say more? Cuz there's a lot more I could add! That was really an uneducated statement! Really!

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GEEEEZE someone is P.O.ED
by: Anonymous

No one is BASHING you or your man. I simply stated that whomever thinks that one can raise a child on $30.00 a week whether it be a man or a woman is wrong. You are the one that came in bashing women that harass men for child support. It takes more than money to raise a child. My daughter doesn't even get a THOUGHT from her dad. Yeah it sucks that the government can't weed out the ones that really need harassing from the ones, that like you said are at least trying. And I know you weren't refering to me when you said , "YOU NEED TO START LIVING WITHIN YOU MEANS, AND ALSO TEACH YOUR CHILD THAT MONEY DON'T GROW ON TREE'S, well we do just that,BECAUSE WE DON'T GET CHILDSUPPORT!
And as far as "taking my anger out", I'm not the one that came on HEAR screaming in ALL CAPS. You are far angrier than I am... I have been on both side, and I can see both points. Every case is different, but you have to admit the normal case scenario is the man leaving the woman with children and not paying. Life sucks, don't let the bad consume you...

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To the $30.00 Joke
by: Stepmother of 3

I am a women, and I proved my POINT it is the WOMEN like YOU that HAVE DEAD BEATS FOR THEIR BABYS, THAT SIT HERE AND BASH MEN THAT ALEAST TRIED TO PAY CS. YOU NEED TO START LIVING WITHIN YOU MEANS, AND ALSO TEACH YOUR CHILD THAT MONEY DON'T GROW ON TREE'S! FINE YOU ARE NOT GETTING CHILDSUPPORT THAN BE THE BETTER PERSON AND PROVE TO YOU EX THAT YOU DON'T NEED HIM!!!! HE IS THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO LOSE OUT IN THE END. BUT DON'T SIT HERE AND BASH SOMEONE THAT HAS A HARD TIME TRYING TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT, HE IS TRYING MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR THE ONES THAT DON'T PAY A SINGLE DIME! MY HUSBAND IS PAYING $1400 A MONTH AND HIS CHILDREN DO WITH OUT BECAUSE THE MOTHER WON'T GET OFF HER ASS AND DO HER PART, THE CHILD ASK US IF THE CAN PARTICIPATE IN ACTIVITYS WE TELL THEM YES AND WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE THE MOTHER SAYS SHE IS BROKE, YET THE STATE PAYS FOR HER CAR,AND CAR INSURANCE, FOOD, AND EXTRA 1500 A MONTH IN STATE AID SO HOW IS THAT FAIR. THEIR ARE MEN IN THIS COUNTRY THAT PAY CHILD SUPPORT THAT ARE TREATED LIKE DEAD BEATS BECAUSE A SYSTEM FEELS ALL MEN ARE DEAD BEATS AND I'M SICK AND TIRED OF IT IF THE GOVERMENT WOULD SPEND LESS TIME HARRASSING THE ONES THAT PAY AND GO AFTER THE ONES THAT DON'T EVERYONE WOULD BE A LOT HAPPIER. WE GET HARRASED EVERY WEEK FROM THE AG TO SEND THE CHILDSUPPORT, 366.00 IS BEING DEDUCTED FROM THE PAYCHECK EVERY WEEK, BUT AG JUST WANTS TO WASTE PAPER AND HARRASS US, THEY COULD BE USING THAT WASTED PAPER TO CATCH THE DEAD BEATS BUT NO!!!! SO INSTEAD OF TAKING YOUR ANGER OUT ON A MAN THAT IS TRYING TO PAY GO AFTER THE SOB THAT IS NOT PAYING THE CHILD SUPPORT THAT HE OWES YOU!!!!

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common sense
by: DoUntoOthers

Everything is about money! What about the children ? Does anybody realize that our kids deserve to have both parents in their lives?Does anybody consider that these kids are our future? I'm divorced with 4 kids and I'm more concerned with their mental and emotional health than how much money their Dad gives me.
The economy is falling apart and we have jails full of unemployed men and women who are behind in their child support payments SO now they sit in jail and are put in a position where they CAN'T do anything for their kids! What kind of logic is that?! If they care so much about payments being made then they should give them jobs in order to be able to pay!

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$30.00 JOKE
by: Anonymous

Women like me?? Ha you don't know ME, but I know your type.I have two kids that I never received childsupport for because the father has every excuse in the book. Sounds like you are just mad at the government. If a woman files for CS then that is her right. SHE doesn't determine the amount. I use to whine and *itch to the GA for years and I never got a red cent, and NOTHING ever happened to dead-beat dad. He gets to run around whith new girls and get them prenant and start a new family and then complain cus we want them to take care of their FIRST family.So my point is that it goes both ways..Stop acting like you are the only one having a hard time. You aren't there to tell the kids they can't have something cuz mom can't afford it. And as far as finding another sucker..seems like you are the one that found a new sucker that you have impregnated and then you will whine when she expects more than 30.00 from you when she gets tired of "supporting" you. I DO the math, EVERYDAY, to make sure my kids have food to eat, have clothing,school supplies,a safe daycare, a safe vehicle to ride in,live in a desent home,money for the insurence/doctor,plus a couple of toys that every child deserves.That doesn't include utilites,gas, auto insurance and everything else that is needed to raise a health/happy child. BTW AHOLE, the world isn't picking on you, the crappy ecomony has affected everyone, even those of us that get NO child support and no government assistance. More men get away with walking away from their chilren and never looking back while the woman is left to figure it out. CRYBABY!!!! Grow-Up and stop having children if it is soooo hard for you to keep up with you HALF of the responsibility.

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To you got to be Kidding
by: Anonymous

EVERY NCP SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO LOWER THEIR CHILD SUPPORT!!!! BUT EVERY TIME WOMEN LIKE YOU THROW A FIT, BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO BUY YOUR MAKEUP, GET YOUR HAIR, OR NAILS DONE TO GO OUT AND FIND THE NEXT SUCKER TO TAKE CARE OF YOU THE NEXT 18 YEARS. THE MANS 30 DOLLERS EXTRA A WEEK IS THE CORRECT AMOUNT TO TAKE CARE OF A 1 CHILD! BUT WOMEN LIKE YOU FEEL THAT THE NCP SHOULD PAY EVERY THING! YOU MADE THAT CHILD TO SO IF YOU DO THE MATH NCP 30 + CP 30= 60 DOLLERS EXTRA A WEEK OMG YOU ARE THE ONE THAT IS NOT SO BRIGHT!!!! YOU NEED TO SIT DOWN AND BREAK EVERY THING DOWN INSTEAD OF ADDING UP THE BILLS AT ONCE TO WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT IT COST A DAY ,THEN DO THE WEEKLY AND MONTHLY AMOUNTS IT TAKES TWO TO MAKE A CHILD SO DO YOUR PART INSTEAD OF BICTHING AT A MAN THAT HAS LOST HIS JOB TO TO A CRAPPY ECONOMY!

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Fight Back
by: Keysha

Have you ever considered hiring a family law attornery? I know that they economy isn't so great but some lawyers do make payment arrangements but I think that if you go back with a "Family Law Lawyer" and have them request another judge I think you will stand a better chance. I've noticed that if you go to Child Support Court and see who the AG's Attornery is and how they handle the noncustiodial parents attorney you'll see how the game is played. They just want to collect money but of if you get a attorney they'll see you mean business. But I will say this don't get up set but it does cost more than $30 a week to raise a child. However I think childsupport orders for anything over $325 way too much and you'e just bought a name brand purse for that mom!!

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You've got to be kidding!!!
by: Anonymous

Am I reading this right?? You think it only takes $30/week more per child to raise them??? What cave are you living in? There are many circumstances that make that untrue. Unless the mother qualifies for government assistance then this is sooo not true. Lunch money for one week alone is $10.00, what about daycare? What about the difference in rent between a one bedroom and two bedroom. How about deductables for one office visit to the doctor. Can't afford you first child???? Then why would you have another???? Awww you have to drive along way to work, well join the club. And what about the women that are LEFT by their ahole husbands? What makes you think women are being rewarded for leaving...I can see just by what you wrote that you are not to bright, I would have left you too if you think it is that cheap to raise a child.
BTW...You must not know the entire law..yes they will lower your support amount, but not if you are jobless!!!!! Sounds like you are just whinning!!!! And if your new wife is supporting you for the past 10 years then it sounds like you have it made. That's all you men care about is how much you can get away with, NOT what you child and the woman raising your child NEEDS!!
JERK!

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