KEEP RECORDS FOREVER

by Liz
(Missouri)

I almost hate to tell this story that it might give some ex wife an idea of how to put the screws to someone else like happened to us......


Back in 1997 my current husband was in the process of a divorce from his ex wife in Nevada.
He made fair money back then and was ordered to pay 450.00 per child for a total of 900.00 a month in child support. Another 500.00 a month for 2 years in Alimony. According to the temp. court order he was to pay her direct.
Every week that check was wrote out to her for 1400.00 and handed or mailed to her.
Well as time went on and the final court order came they were going to send a garnishment to his employer at the time and take the money out of his check which was fine too and that was done.

When he moved back to MO. in 2003 and yes he was and currently is making less money-thats not even a fair statement because he doesn't make even 1/2 of what he was making when this order was issued. One child had turned 18 only a year after the final court order so that had dropped off and his ex wife had been paid out the 2 years. Even though he made less money he still did not ask for a modification-he simply told me she probably needs it so I am leaving it the way it was.

At times it was a struggle as he only cleared 400.00 a week.In 2007 we had a house fire and lost everything we owned. He still never complained about paying the child support.
Later that year we get a HUGE packet from the Attorney General's office saying guess what you owe us 142,000.00 in back payments and interest for child support and alimony.We were floored wondering what the heck this was about.
So I call them and they informed me that his ex wife had come to them and said he never paid child support or alimony.

The state had put all records on the computer starting in 2003 so they had all the payments for that time showing-all made and all on time because like I said they were doing the garnishment of wages since the beginning. Which meant the employer would deduct it and send it to the court and the court in turned mailed it to her since the final decree in 1998.....
2003 and they enter those payments so what is in question now is 1997 to 2003.....
Well it seemed simple to me-the court could go back on their records and see where they had done this.

NOT SO - I called and talked to them and they informed me that they had indeed put all the records on computer since 2003 and anything that might of gotten missed or not transferred onto the computer is just gone unless we could provide them with proof.... I was floored and thought ok this should be simple...... Was I ever fooled....The bank he had wrote those checks on said after 7 years all records are destroyed and no way to get them. There went that idea but there was still hope....but that too faded.....I knew the company he use to work for had sold to another company but I thought give it a try and I called the one that bought them and they said nope sorry no help here we dont have their records and even if we did in the start they are long long gone.....
I then called the IRS so that I could show he paid the alimony because it was a tax deduction after all.

They too told me nope we dont keep records that far back so no such luck.....I was in a row boat without a paddle because all those records went up in smoke in that house fire and I had nothing to fight them with....We called I would safely say 10 lawyers and ask what we should do and each one said the same thing- well without proof your just sunk.....We hired an attorney and yep he was right without proof we were sunk. Now we owe her again and its climbed to well over 220,000.00 with interest being added all the time as we pay.

Well it didnt stop there-when both kids were finally over 18 they went back and now we pay 900.00 a month on the rearages she claims were never paid....and that I cant prove after 10 years that we did indeed pay every penny of.
We requested a motification of child support to lower it again to just 110.00 a week which is still the rate he was paying when he made a heck of alot more money and was told no because we owe such a large amount in the rearage.......IMAGINE THAT.......I do not know how we will ever make ends meet......I found out 2 days before that house fire in 2007 that I had cancer and am now unable to work to help my husband pay this and the medical bills and meds are way over what we can pay,,,,but I guess this lady needs our money worse than we do so I will go without treatment or meds so she can cheat us.....So I am here to tell you when you have these records MAKE A COPY MAKE ANOTHER COPY and save them in more than 1 place.

If anyone has a suggestion on what they think I can try next I am open to suggestions of any kind.....

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greedy b@$$#'s
by: Anonymous

I have an ex that says she will sue for back child support if i do not pay her cash lol. people are evil money hungry bastards and GOD will persevere and give them what they deserve.

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falsely accuse of not paying alimony
by: Pam

I wonder if you are accused and have all the records you paid for years of alimony if there is any recourse to countersue for all the time it takes you to prepare and get bank records

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you are right
by: Anonymous

WE WENT TO COURT ON CHILDSUPPORT MY HUSBAND HAS BEEN PAYING FOR YEARS ALL OF HIS KIDS ARE GROWN NOW WELL WHEN WE WENT TO COURT SHE CLAMED SHE HAD NOT BEEN GETTING ANY MONEY WE HAD OUR PROOF AND A GOOD LAWYER THAT STOOD UP AND SAID HE IS PAYING EVERY WEEK HERE IS HIS CHEAK STUBS WHERE IT IS COMING OUT OF HIS CHEAK EVERY WEEK AND HERE IS THE CHILDSUPPORT STATEMENTS HOW MUCH WENT TO IT THIS MONTH AND THIS MONTH THEY MODIFED HIS GOING DOWN A LITTLE ON THE OTHER CASE IT WILL GO WAY DOWN CAUSE THE MOTHER THERE FAILED TO TURN IN THAT A CHILD RECEIVING CHILDSUPPORT HAD PASSED AWAY AND HAS BEEN RECEVING FUNDS TEN YEARS NOW ON HIM THAT HE IS NOT GETTING DUE TO BEING GONE ...ALWAYS KEEP YOUR RECORDS NEVER THROW THEM AWAY THATS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO BUT SOONER OR LATER IT WILL BITE THEM ON THEIR BUTTS IF YOU KEEP YOUR PROOF YOU STILL NEED A GOOD LAWYER THAT HAS WENT AGAINST THEM BEFORE A STATE LAWYER IS FOR THEM THEY JUST TAKE YOUR MONEY THAT IS MY OPINION THE STATE IS NOT GOING TO BE ON YOUR SIDE GOING AGAINST THE STATE ON CHILDSUPPORT ...

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Keep Records
by: Salavtore O.

I am so sorry to hear your situation. Over the years dealing with courts I find myself having the save any documents, Let me tell you my story first of all these parasites eat off of us working class people, for I don't know what else they are here for. In my state of Georgia the women wins all the time. I am not knocking my ex I wish here well for me as a christian living in the south that we should stick together NOT!! I move here from N.Y.C to have a better life now I know what a better life is, but! you what I'm blessed in the end It will all come out. I been knock down, kicked, slap, put in jail over owing money to my children, but listen to this my ex moved out of state w/o telling me but it didn't stop there the law states that a non-custodial parent {CANNOT} see what a CS check looks like and the state where she moved to has done this they have sent me check...There reason they couldn't find her note: they found me how by my SS# go figure. I will also tell you I was laid-off from work back in 2007 {CS} was still receiving my some of my unemployment checks 3 to 4 months later I found odd jobs nothing to settle in by the year 2008 found a job out of state Tenn. let me tell you I'm in the grading business and have been for 28 years so I know what your going through we need to change Child Support laws it's not working.

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IRS claims no records.....
by: Liz

I did call the IRS and they informed me they dont keep records that far back.....now we all know they do but I guess they dont keep them available to the public.....
SO to claim she had income that she didnt pay on I would have to prove it for them to even care if they did care at all......
If everyone could run around saying so and so didnt pay on income and not provide proof and them take it seriously we could put the government out of business chasing purple turkeys so to speak.....
I am filing a complaint about the judgement and hoping someone will think its unfair and at least lower it back down.....
If it was needed for the children that would be one thing(both over 18 now) but to provide her with an income for the rest of her life at the rate of 900.00 a month just dont seem fair to me in the least bit......

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hang in there
by: Anonymous

im from Canada but in my experiences with child support, and reasons for not getting it, my only suggestion is can you phone the government and make alligations that she never paid taxes on that income? thatmight get their attention, because then she would owe them...

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